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	<title>Comments on: Driskill Mountain</title>
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		<title>By: Sailor Barsoom</title>
		<link>http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/driskill-mountain/#comment-25527</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sailor Barsoom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 04:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one I think is in my tree,
I mean it must be high or low,
That is you can&#039;t you know tune in but it&#039;s alright,
That is I think it&#039;s not too bad.
- &lt;i&gt;Strawberry Fields&lt;/i&gt;, The Beatles

A tree isn&#039;t a mountain, but yeah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one I think is in my tree,<br />
I mean it must be high or low,<br />
That is you can&#8217;t you know tune in but it&#8217;s alright,<br />
That is I think it&#8217;s not too bad.<br />
- <i>Strawberry Fields</i>, The Beatles</p>
<p>A tree isn&#8217;t a mountain, but yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: krulac</title>
		<link>http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/driskill-mountain/#comment-25370</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[krulac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well - if it&#039;s not courage - then it&#039;s something better.  Physical courage - really isn&#039;t that hard to deal with because, in the case of Lord Nelson and people like me - we&#039;re never on the &quot;outside&quot;.  Death is one thing - everyone dies and no one can escape that.  However, it takes a special person to be willing to live one&#039;s life &quot;on the outside&quot; cut off from the approval of society at large.

You may not think that is courage - but it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8211; if it&#8217;s not courage &#8211; then it&#8217;s something better.  Physical courage &#8211; really isn&#8217;t that hard to deal with because, in the case of Lord Nelson and people like me &#8211; we&#8217;re never on the &#8220;outside&#8221;.  Death is one thing &#8211; everyone dies and no one can escape that.  However, it takes a special person to be willing to live one&#8217;s life &#8220;on the outside&#8221; cut off from the approval of society at large.</p>
<p>You may not think that is courage &#8211; but it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie McNeill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie McNeill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I think that&#039;s it exactly.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/lost-friends/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My friend Walter&#039;s mother, Kay&lt;/a&gt;, used to say that she never understood this whole talk of &quot;coping&quot; one hears nowadays; one simply concentrated on doing what one had to do, or as you say &quot;getting on with it&quot;.  That&#039;s why she accepted my stripping when my own mother didn&#039;t; like me she saw it as a solution to a problem, while my mother saw it as a problem in itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think that&#8217;s it exactly.  <a href="http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/lost-friends/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">My friend Walter&#8217;s mother, Kay</a>, used to say that she never understood this whole talk of &#8220;coping&#8221; one hears nowadays; one simply concentrated on doing what one had to do, or as you say &#8220;getting on with it&#8221;.  That&#8217;s why she accepted my stripping when my own mother didn&#8217;t; like me she saw it as a solution to a problem, while my mother saw it as a problem in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Comixchik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Comixchik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve thought of it as courage, that&#039;s something people like you and Lord Nelson had. I tend to think of it more as just getting on with things, and doing what you need to do. And really, that seems to be a key to life, just getting on with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve thought of it as courage, that&#8217;s something people like you and Lord Nelson had. I tend to think of it more as just getting on with things, and doing what you need to do. And really, that seems to be a key to life, just getting on with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie McNeill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie McNeill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 04:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Notch; Friday&#039;s column will explain how much I appreciate statements like that one. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Notch; Friday&#8217;s column will explain how much I appreciate statements like that one. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: asmallnotch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[asmallnotch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 03:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just like to say that even though we disagree politically, I still admire your thinking and appreciate the effort you put into your blog. This is a really eloquent article and I find it very cool.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just like to say that even though we disagree politically, I still admire your thinking and appreciate the effort you put into your blog. This is a really eloquent article and I find it very cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie McNeill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie McNeill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 23:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure how much of mine is courage and how much just plain Celtic hardheadedness, but I deeply appreciate the compliments. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much of mine is courage and how much just plain Celtic hardheadedness, but I deeply appreciate the compliments. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: krulac</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;When people find out my past- On my own young, ex-sex workers, all that, they expect a sob story.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well I have been reading your comments for quite a long time and I can tell you that I deeply admire your courage.  I&#039;ve recently become aware (heh, yeah cuz I&#039;m a dumb ass) that moral courage is a lot harder and lot more rare than physical courage.  I saw a lot of very bad things in Afghanistan and Iraq and I thought I was a really strong guy for coming through them well adjusted.

Your experiences, along with Maggie&#039;s - have taught me that my experiences are NOTHING.  I always had people who supported me and I never had to once go through any kind of shit alone.  In fact, when I look back at my life and the personal issues I faced that may have been semi-similar to yours and Maggie&#039;s - I&#039;m not real happy with the moral courage I displayed in some cases.

You have no idea what an &quot;epiphany&quot; this has been for me.  Although I&#039;ve always felt that women were superior to men because they were just better humans - and had a capacity for goodness that men lacked ... 

I&#039;ve still always felt that women were spared the really HARD things - because those were left for men to deal with.  I was wrong about that though - because, as a man (and a big one) - if someone &quot;slights&quot; me or someone I love, I have a physical &quot;option&quot; that I can resort to in order to make myself feel better.  When 911 happened - I was pissed off beyond belief.  Getting up off the floor and lifting my chin and continuing with life wasn&#039;t an option for me.  I wanted to kill terrorists - many of them.  And there were other guys like me who wanted to do likewise.  Even though the odds were always in our favor - we didn&#039;t give a shit - we&#039;d have faced those guys hand-to-hand if need be and we never hid behind a woman or child like they did.

But none of that is real courage.  Real courage, is like what Maggie did after she was raped by cops - when the only thing she could do was get up off the floor - lift her chin - and move on with life without allowing those cops to &quot;win&quot; by getting her to quit on the game - or changing the way she played it.

And I have seen a lot of that kind of courage in your comments too there, Chick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When people find out my past- On my own young, ex-sex workers, all that, they expect a sob story.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well I have been reading your comments for quite a long time and I can tell you that I deeply admire your courage.  I&#8217;ve recently become aware (heh, yeah cuz I&#8217;m a dumb ass) that moral courage is a lot harder and lot more rare than physical courage.  I saw a lot of very bad things in Afghanistan and Iraq and I thought I was a really strong guy for coming through them well adjusted.</p>
<p>Your experiences, along with Maggie&#8217;s &#8211; have taught me that my experiences are NOTHING.  I always had people who supported me and I never had to once go through any kind of shit alone.  In fact, when I look back at my life and the personal issues I faced that may have been semi-similar to yours and Maggie&#8217;s &#8211; I&#8217;m not real happy with the moral courage I displayed in some cases.</p>
<p>You have no idea what an &#8220;epiphany&#8221; this has been for me.  Although I&#8217;ve always felt that women were superior to men because they were just better humans &#8211; and had a capacity for goodness that men lacked &#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve still always felt that women were spared the really HARD things &#8211; because those were left for men to deal with.  I was wrong about that though &#8211; because, as a man (and a big one) &#8211; if someone &#8220;slights&#8221; me or someone I love, I have a physical &#8220;option&#8221; that I can resort to in order to make myself feel better.  When 911 happened &#8211; I was pissed off beyond belief.  Getting up off the floor and lifting my chin and continuing with life wasn&#8217;t an option for me.  I wanted to kill terrorists &#8211; many of them.  And there were other guys like me who wanted to do likewise.  Even though the odds were always in our favor &#8211; we didn&#8217;t give a shit &#8211; we&#8217;d have faced those guys hand-to-hand if need be and we never hid behind a woman or child like they did.</p>
<p>But none of that is real courage.  Real courage, is like what Maggie did after she was raped by cops &#8211; when the only thing she could do was get up off the floor &#8211; lift her chin &#8211; and move on with life without allowing those cops to &#8220;win&#8221; by getting her to quit on the game &#8211; or changing the way she played it.</p>
<p>And I have seen a lot of that kind of courage in your comments too there, Chick.</p>
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		<title>By: krulac</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I personally think you should have said something to her.  

This kind of &quot;syndrome&quot; leads to destructive behavior and decisions.

Like with my extended family and all their little Driskill Mountain &quot;tragedies&quot; like my minister cousin cheating on his wife (one time) or my niece getting pregnant in her senior year of high school and everything just turns into one great big &quot;boo hooo&quot; fest.  They tend to feed on the &quot;tragedy&quot; until a point just shy of going over the cliff of irreparable harm.  And my family is pretty sane - I&#039;ve seen many others turn little issues into permanent disasters.

You know what I&#039;m talking about too Maggie - with your Mom. 

A young, dead Marine who has to be pulled off a field in pieces - that&#039;s a tragedy.  A young kid laying dead in a morgue who has to be identified from tattoos because the auto accident completely fucked his face is a tragedy.  A good kid who wipes out and dies on a motorcycle and leaves five year old twin baby girls behind to grow up without a father is a tragedy.

I had an Admiral, who was a former TopGun instructor tell me once ... &quot;As long as you keep the bad guy on your nose - you&#039;re winning, anywhere else - and you are losing the dogfight&quot;.  Life is one, big long dogfight - but unlike a dogfight - you get shot, and you have to get right back into it and keep fighting.  Soooo - the only time you&#039;re &quot;losing&quot; is when you are sitting in worthless heap of tears lamenting your situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think you should have said something to her.  </p>
<p>This kind of &#8220;syndrome&#8221; leads to destructive behavior and decisions.</p>
<p>Like with my extended family and all their little Driskill Mountain &#8220;tragedies&#8221; like my minister cousin cheating on his wife (one time) or my niece getting pregnant in her senior year of high school and everything just turns into one great big &#8220;boo hooo&#8221; fest.  They tend to feed on the &#8220;tragedy&#8221; until a point just shy of going over the cliff of irreparable harm.  And my family is pretty sane &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen many others turn little issues into permanent disasters.</p>
<p>You know what I&#8217;m talking about too Maggie &#8211; with your Mom. </p>
<p>A young, dead Marine who has to be pulled off a field in pieces &#8211; that&#8217;s a tragedy.  A young kid laying dead in a morgue who has to be identified from tattoos because the auto accident completely fucked his face is a tragedy.  A good kid who wipes out and dies on a motorcycle and leaves five year old twin baby girls behind to grow up without a father is a tragedy.</p>
<p>I had an Admiral, who was a former TopGun instructor tell me once &#8230; &#8220;As long as you keep the bad guy on your nose &#8211; you&#8217;re winning, anywhere else &#8211; and you are losing the dogfight&#8221;.  Life is one, big long dogfight &#8211; but unlike a dogfight &#8211; you get shot, and you have to get right back into it and keep fighting.  Soooo &#8211; the only time you&#8217;re &#8220;losing&#8221; is when you are sitting in worthless heap of tears lamenting your situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie McNeill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie McNeill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree.  As I said, I never belittled the girl with the lesser trauma; it was STILL the highest mountain in her state, even if it wasn&#039;t very tall to others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree.  As I said, I never belittled the girl with the lesser trauma; it was STILL the highest mountain in her state, even if it wasn&#8217;t very tall to others.</p>
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