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		<title>By: Drachefly</title>
		<link>http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/forward-and-backward/#comment-39763</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 20:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; So many of them have become atheist materialists who no longer care about the future beyond their own lifetimes and therefor no longer bother to reproduce.

... non sequitur. I&#039;m an atheist materialist (in the philosophical and economic sense, not that I think an active internal life is unimportant) and I care a whole lot about the future. I have 2 kids. I can barely understand how someone could be so selfish as to not care about the future beyond themselves - and I don&#039;t see in the least how this question depends on whether or not they think there&#039;s some god or mystical force out there.

I think the decline in children is due to economic and other social factors - the effort to raise viable offspring in the environment grows too great - the judgements you see yourself as facing from everyone who can now see every nitty detail of what you&#039;re doing and going to say how wrong wrong wrong you are about it - we all became hyper-aware of the horrible things that happen occasionally and weight them beyond their true risks - and so on.

Simply pinning birth rates on atheism... well, I&#039;d want to see statistics with a bunch of possible confounding factors included, not some unsupported claim from the outside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; So many of them have become atheist materialists who no longer care about the future beyond their own lifetimes and therefor no longer bother to reproduce.</p>
<p>&#8230; non sequitur. I&#8217;m an atheist materialist (in the philosophical and economic sense, not that I think an active internal life is unimportant) and I care a whole lot about the future. I have 2 kids. I can barely understand how someone could be so selfish as to not care about the future beyond themselves &#8211; and I don&#8217;t see in the least how this question depends on whether or not they think there&#8217;s some god or mystical force out there.</p>
<p>I think the decline in children is due to economic and other social factors &#8211; the effort to raise viable offspring in the environment grows too great &#8211; the judgements you see yourself as facing from everyone who can now see every nitty detail of what you&#8217;re doing and going to say how wrong wrong wrong you are about it &#8211; we all became hyper-aware of the horrible things that happen occasionally and weight them beyond their true risks &#8211; and so on.</p>
<p>Simply pinning birth rates on atheism&#8230; well, I&#8217;d want to see statistics with a bunch of possible confounding factors included, not some unsupported claim from the outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailor Barsoom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, but that&#039;s the thing, isn&#039;t it?  What is illusion and what is real, in the realms of the supernatural?

I&#039;ll let you in on a little secret: I suspect that the nearness to God, the becoming one with God, the melting into the Godhead experienced by users of entheogens are in fact illusions.

But then, there are plenty of people who, without the use of drugs, have thought that they were sexual supermen, that they were omnipotent, that they could fly, or various other illusory feelings.  They&#039;ve also felt a nearness to Kali, to Astarte, to Jesus, to the Spirits of Nature, all without taking in special molecules.

Now many people (you?) want to tell me that feelings of omnipotence are invalid, with or without drugs.
Feelings of nearness to Zeus are invalid, with or without drugs.
Feelings of communing with the minds of trees are invalid, with or without drugs.
Feelings of closeness to Jesus are invalid &lt;b&gt;with&lt;/b&gt; drugs, but are valid &lt;b&gt;without&lt;/b&gt; drugs.

And there&#039;s really no reason for me to accept that, unless it just happens to be what I want to believe.  It may be true, you may be right, but how can I or anybody else really know?  Maybe the &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; religious experiences which are true are the ones gained by the use of a certain plant, but not other plants.  Maybe that&#039;s why God put that one plant on Earth, but the Devil put the others.  Or maybe not.

But I can have my suspicions, and I suspect that the origin of religion is to be found in the consuming of psychoactive plants and mushrooms in the ages before writing, nation-states, and organized religion.  Can I utterly prove it?  No.  But then, nobody can prove that her faith is the right one, either.

That&#039;s why they call it faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but that&#8217;s the thing, isn&#8217;t it?  What is illusion and what is real, in the realms of the supernatural?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let you in on a little secret: I suspect that the nearness to God, the becoming one with God, the melting into the Godhead experienced by users of entheogens are in fact illusions.</p>
<p>But then, there are plenty of people who, without the use of drugs, have thought that they were sexual supermen, that they were omnipotent, that they could fly, or various other illusory feelings.  They&#8217;ve also felt a nearness to Kali, to Astarte, to Jesus, to the Spirits of Nature, all without taking in special molecules.</p>
<p>Now many people (you?) want to tell me that feelings of omnipotence are invalid, with or without drugs.<br />
Feelings of nearness to Zeus are invalid, with or without drugs.<br />
Feelings of communing with the minds of trees are invalid, with or without drugs.<br />
Feelings of closeness to Jesus are invalid <b>with</b> drugs, but are valid <b>without</b> drugs.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s really no reason for me to accept that, unless it just happens to be what I want to believe.  It may be true, you may be right, but how can I or anybody else really know?  Maybe the <b>only</b> religious experiences which are true are the ones gained by the use of a certain plant, but not other plants.  Maybe that&#8217;s why God put that one plant on Earth, but the Devil put the others.  Or maybe not.</p>
<p>But I can have my suspicions, and I suspect that the origin of religion is to be found in the consuming of psychoactive plants and mushrooms in the ages before writing, nation-states, and organized religion.  Can I utterly prove it?  No.  But then, nobody can prove that her faith is the right one, either.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they call it faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Marla</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t dispute that some people THINK they have experienced closeness to God by using drugs, but that&#039;s only because drugs create illusions. Various drugs can also make a person think he&#039;s a sexual superman, omnipotent, or able to fly, or various other illusory feelings.

Actually getting close to God requires openness to the holy spirit, and it comes to you without the need for any drug to induce fake feelings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t dispute that some people THINK they have experienced closeness to God by using drugs, but that&#8217;s only because drugs create illusions. Various drugs can also make a person think he&#8217;s a sexual superman, omnipotent, or able to fly, or various other illusory feelings.</p>
<p>Actually getting close to God requires openness to the holy spirit, and it comes to you without the need for any drug to induce fake feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailor Barsoom</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My own experience is very limited.  I&#039;ve been higher than a kite on stuff the dentist gave me, but that was for pain, not for either pleasure or for spiritual growth.  I did the thing with nutmeg, and that was interesting, but it hardly counts, because I did it twice and it was too little both times.  One time I hardly had any effects at all.

So I&#039;m going by what people who &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; done psychedelics say about it.  They don&#039;t call them &quot;entheogens&quot; for nothing.  The word means &quot;creates God within.&quot;  Shamans from the rain forests of South America and Africa, the plains of North America, and the Egyptians of Pharaoh days all had these substances as an important part of their faith.  Some people in the industrialized Information Age Western world still do.
And this is what&#039;s said by people who have done an oracle-load of entheogens, not people with even less experience than I have.

Nutmeg didn&#039;t give me a religious experience, and marijuana didn&#039;t give you one.  But &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxsbCFOu7b4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;others have had experiences&lt;/a&gt; with the aid of a little chemistry (or botany, or mycology).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own experience is very limited.  I&#8217;ve been higher than a kite on stuff the dentist gave me, but that was for pain, not for either pleasure or for spiritual growth.  I did the thing with nutmeg, and that was interesting, but it hardly counts, because I did it twice and it was too little both times.  One time I hardly had any effects at all.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m going by what people who <i>have</i> done psychedelics say about it.  They don&#8217;t call them &#8220;entheogens&#8221; for nothing.  The word means &#8220;creates God within.&#8221;  Shamans from the rain forests of South America and Africa, the plains of North America, and the Egyptians of Pharaoh days all had these substances as an important part of their faith.  Some people in the industrialized Information Age Western world still do.<br />
And this is what&#8217;s said by people who have done an oracle-load of entheogens, not people with even less experience than I have.</p>
<p>Nutmeg didn&#8217;t give me a religious experience, and marijuana didn&#8217;t give you one.  But <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxsbCFOu7b4" rel="nofollow">others have had experiences</a> with the aid of a little chemistry (or botany, or mycology).</p>
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		<title>By: Marla</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Public school quality depends heavily on the wealth and education level of the parents. Educated parents know how to create a home environment, routine, and lifestyle that is conducive to high-level learning. Most uneducated parents don&#039;t know how to do that. Washington DC&#039;s East Side is at a huge disadvantage because the impoverished, illiterate parents do not know how to do basic things like read a book to the child, check the child&#039;s homework, or take the child to a museum or a science exhibit.

Better, more qualified teachers usually seek jobs in affluent areas because the pay is higher and the students are easier to teach. Good teachers generally don&#039;t want to teach in bad schools - where they are most sorely needed.

I went to a public magnet school with an entrance exam and an exclusive admissions policy, and high teacher salaries; it&#039;s a racially and economically diverse school with black kids and white kids, rich kids and poor kids, and 99 percent go on to universities and it&#039;s one of the best high schools in America. Giving poor kids and nonwhite kids a great education CAN be done but only if you have brilliant, dedicated, caring teachers.

&quot;Waiting for &#039;Superman&#039;&quot; portrays the Harlem Success Academy, where great teachers give a good education to kids from the worst possible neighborhoods. It can be done - but only if you have good teachers who really CARE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public school quality depends heavily on the wealth and education level of the parents. Educated parents know how to create a home environment, routine, and lifestyle that is conducive to high-level learning. Most uneducated parents don&#8217;t know how to do that. Washington DC&#8217;s East Side is at a huge disadvantage because the impoverished, illiterate parents do not know how to do basic things like read a book to the child, check the child&#8217;s homework, or take the child to a museum or a science exhibit.</p>
<p>Better, more qualified teachers usually seek jobs in affluent areas because the pay is higher and the students are easier to teach. Good teachers generally don&#8217;t want to teach in bad schools &#8211; where they are most sorely needed.</p>
<p>I went to a public magnet school with an entrance exam and an exclusive admissions policy, and high teacher salaries; it&#8217;s a racially and economically diverse school with black kids and white kids, rich kids and poor kids, and 99 percent go on to universities and it&#8217;s one of the best high schools in America. Giving poor kids and nonwhite kids a great education CAN be done but only if you have brilliant, dedicated, caring teachers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Waiting for &#8216;Superman&#8217;&#8221; portrays the Harlem Success Academy, where great teachers give a good education to kids from the worst possible neighborhoods. It can be done &#8211; but only if you have good teachers who really CARE.</p>
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		<title>By: Marla</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sailor Barsoom, have you ever done drugs? Not just an alcohol buzz, but a real high? I&#039;ve been high on marijuana and nitrous oxide, and trust me, being high did NOT make me &quot;experience God directly&quot;. That&#039;s an over-romanticized view of drug use believed by people who haven&#039;t used drugs. I was a social drug user and I&#039;ve never had a drug addiction, so I can see drugs through the eyes of someone who has real-life experience with them and also is not enslaved by them. Being high is fun as hell, but it doesn&#039;t bring you closer to heaven.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sailor Barsoom, have you ever done drugs? Not just an alcohol buzz, but a real high? I&#8217;ve been high on marijuana and nitrous oxide, and trust me, being high did NOT make me &#8220;experience God directly&#8221;. That&#8217;s an over-romanticized view of drug use believed by people who haven&#8217;t used drugs. I was a social drug user and I&#8217;ve never had a drug addiction, so I can see drugs through the eyes of someone who has real-life experience with them and also is not enslaved by them. Being high is fun as hell, but it doesn&#8217;t bring you closer to heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailor Barsoom</title>
		<link>http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/forward-and-backward/#comment-16244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sailor Barsoom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll second your recommendation of &lt;i&gt;Waiting for &quot;Superman&quot;&lt;/i&gt;.  Davis Guggenheim, the director, is no stereotype of the union-bashing ultra-conservative.  His last film before &lt;i&gt;Waiting&lt;/i&gt; was &lt;i&gt;An Inconvenient Truth&lt;/i&gt;, with Al Gore.

One thing, though: the teachers&#039; union is everywhere, so why is it worse in DC?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second your recommendation of <i>Waiting for &#8220;Superman&#8221;</i>.  Davis Guggenheim, the director, is no stereotype of the union-bashing ultra-conservative.  His last film before <i>Waiting</i> was <i>An Inconvenient Truth</i>, with Al Gore.</p>
<p>One thing, though: the teachers&#8217; union is everywhere, so why is it worse in DC?</p>
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		<title>By: Sailor Barsoom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe He doesn&#039;t like the competition.  Or rather, maybe the priests don&#039;t like competing with mushrooms, cacti, toads, and so on.  After all, if you can eat something and experience God directly, what do you need a priest for?  Nope, can&#039;t be allowing that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe He doesn&#8217;t like the competition.  Or rather, maybe the priests don&#8217;t like competing with mushrooms, cacti, toads, and so on.  After all, if you can eat something and experience God directly, what do you need a priest for?  Nope, can&#8217;t be allowing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailor Barsoom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 03:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;From day 1, there’s been religious people who want no part of abusing any alcohol and/or using any drug for reasons outside of having a true health problem. &lt;/blockquote&gt;How can we possibly know that?  Even if it&#039;s true, how can we know?  There are pictures of psilocybe mushrooms on cave walls.  There are no scriptures that old; writing hadn&#039;t been invented yet.

It could well be that Cro-Magnon Man was meditating and praying, achieving altered states of consciousness that way, and only used the &#039;shrooms in very low doses to improve visual acuity while hunting, but we don&#039;t know that.  They could also have been tripping balls and wouldn&#039;t invent prayer for another twenty generations, but then we can&#039;t know that either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>From day 1, there’s been religious people who want no part of abusing any alcohol and/or using any drug for reasons outside of having a true health problem. </p></blockquote>
<p>How can we possibly know that?  Even if it&#8217;s true, how can we know?  There are pictures of psilocybe mushrooms on cave walls.  There are no scriptures that old; writing hadn&#8217;t been invented yet.</p>
<p>It could well be that Cro-Magnon Man was meditating and praying, achieving altered states of consciousness that way, and only used the &#8216;shrooms in very low doses to improve visual acuity while hunting, but we don&#8217;t know that.  They could also have been tripping balls and wouldn&#8217;t invent prayer for another twenty generations, but then we can&#8217;t know that either.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THANK YOU, my friend!  Thank you for speaking up for LIFE!  How valuable EACH life is!  Like you say NO group should ever die completely out.  Also for saying not every person wants to live a life of complete physical indulgence.  There&#039;s people who WANT to be celibate and are very happy and also don&#039;t order anyone else around and don&#039;t want political power either.  As a recovering alcoholic (12 years sober as of October 16th) I know 1st hand how devastating indulging physically can be.  Anyone who wants confirmation of this just go to any Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous meeting.  I also saw when I had sex only friends the devastation that CAN come from sexual indulgence.  I&#039;ve also seen it with other friends and through reading about this type of thing.  Yes, we ARE mammals, but that isn&#039;t all there is to life.  There&#039;s also the spiritual.  There&#039;s also caring about OTHERS.  Yes, this fundamentalist (the horror...eyeroll) Christian just said humans ARE mammals!  I get sick and tired of that wonderful blanket statement that Christians won&#039;t admit people ARE mammals.  What I get tired of with that is that it&#039;s used constantly to rationalize horrible treatment of others, i.e., &quot;well, that&#039;s just how I am.  We humans are animals.  I can&#039;t help myself because of that...that&#039;s just how it is...I can&#039;t change and no one else can either&quot;.  It&#039;s also used to justify all kinds of self-centeredness.  Based on my experience with past alcoholism ALONE, if I&#039;m going to be too strong on 1 side of the issue, I&#039;ll take the side that uses some restraint instead of the 1 that says have no and/or little restraint.  In the Bible, God didn&#039;t just order believers to never get drunk and also not use any drugs unless it&#039;s for true health problems because He&#039;s a sick control freak and wants us to never have fun.  It&#039;s because He knows the very high risk you take with this stuff when you touch it to begin with.  It&#039;s like a parent telling their child to never walk into the street without looking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU, my friend!  Thank you for speaking up for LIFE!  How valuable EACH life is!  Like you say NO group should ever die completely out.  Also for saying not every person wants to live a life of complete physical indulgence.  There&#8217;s people who WANT to be celibate and are very happy and also don&#8217;t order anyone else around and don&#8217;t want political power either.  As a recovering alcoholic (12 years sober as of October 16th) I know 1st hand how devastating indulging physically can be.  Anyone who wants confirmation of this just go to any Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous meeting.  I also saw when I had sex only friends the devastation that CAN come from sexual indulgence.  I&#8217;ve also seen it with other friends and through reading about this type of thing.  Yes, we ARE mammals, but that isn&#8217;t all there is to life.  There&#8217;s also the spiritual.  There&#8217;s also caring about OTHERS.  Yes, this fundamentalist (the horror&#8230;eyeroll) Christian just said humans ARE mammals!  I get sick and tired of that wonderful blanket statement that Christians won&#8217;t admit people ARE mammals.  What I get tired of with that is that it&#8217;s used constantly to rationalize horrible treatment of others, i.e., &#8220;well, that&#8217;s just how I am.  We humans are animals.  I can&#8217;t help myself because of that&#8230;that&#8217;s just how it is&#8230;I can&#8217;t change and no one else can either&#8221;.  It&#8217;s also used to justify all kinds of self-centeredness.  Based on my experience with past alcoholism ALONE, if I&#8217;m going to be too strong on 1 side of the issue, I&#8217;ll take the side that uses some restraint instead of the 1 that says have no and/or little restraint.  In the Bible, God didn&#8217;t just order believers to never get drunk and also not use any drugs unless it&#8217;s for true health problems because He&#8217;s a sick control freak and wants us to never have fun.  It&#8217;s because He knows the very high risk you take with this stuff when you touch it to begin with.  It&#8217;s like a parent telling their child to never walk into the street without looking.</p>
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